Association Fouga Magister CM170 / Maintenance / Flight training / Unusual attitude recovery : Weight and Balance

Friday, October 22, 2010

Weight and Balance

Sorry guys but all the fougas that I saw did not have a curent weight and balance.
Stall speed, spin recovery, take off and landing configuration....
It can be a problem and it could be deadly.
If you want some infos how to do the real weight and balance for the fouga and the envelope let me know.
A emergency check is to put a scale under the nose tire, have the main tanks full , and you should have a weight of +- 70lbs on the scale under the nose tire.
But you will be required to do a real and accurate weight and balance.

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Tom HillJuly 27, 2011 at 10:30 AM
I recently purchase a CM-170R and I too can not locate a weight & balance worksheet to determine where the aircraft is at each phase, in fact of all the documentation I have with the aircraft, I cannot find a chart depicting the W&B envelope. I have current weight data on the plane from actually weighing the plane empty and full fuel. HELP PLEASE!!!
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Morane Paris MS760 type rating

A. for an authorization to act as PIC of the Morane Saulnier Paris Jet MS760 turbojet‑powered aircraft, an applicant must:

· Possess at least a U.S. private pilot certificate with an appropriate category and class rating (e.g., airplane, multi‑engine land);

· Hold an instrument rating;

· Possess at least a valid U To be eligible.S. third‑class medical certificate;

· 250 hours total time in a complex / high performance aircraft.

Turbojet‑Powered or Rocket‑Powered Airplane. To be eligible
to serve as PIC of a turbojet‑powered or rocket‑powered airplane not considered
to be a former military airplane, an applicant must:

1) Possess at least a U.S. private pilot certificate with an appropriate category and class rating;

2) Possess at least a valid U.S. third‑class medical certificate or equivalent

(U.S. Military Flight Medical or U.S. driver’s license in accordance with the

FAA BasicMed process (pilots using BasicMed may not exceed 250 KIAS));

3) Hold an instrument rating appropriate to the category;

4) Have completed the training requirements of this section;

and

5) If the aircraft has a V_NE of 250 KIAS or greater, have a minimum of 250 hours of pilot flight time as PIC in a complex, high performance airplane.

B. Training Requirements.

1) Training must meet the standards specified in the appropriate parts of the practical test standards (PTS) for type ratings (FAA‑S‑8081‑5, Airline Transport Pilot and Aircraft Type Rating, Practical Test Standards for Airplane, current edition). At a minimum, an applicant’s ground training program must include the following requirements:

· The airplane’s systems and components.

· Ground emergency procedures, including abnormal procedures, if described in the airplane’s checklist.

· Flight emergency procedures, including abnormal procedures, if described in the airplane’s checklist.

· Use of performance charts, including (but not limited to) takeoff, climb, cruise, and landing.

· Fuel requirements and fuel management.

· Runway requirements and limitations (e.g., minimum runway lengths and crosswind limits of the airplane).

· Contents of the Aircraft Flight Manual (AFM) or equivalent.

· Operating limitations prescribed for the specific airplane, both the manufacturer’s and FAA‑issued.

· Operation of the airplane in the high‑altitude realm, if applicable.

· Recovery from abnormal flight profiles based on specific aircraft characteristics.

2) The applicant’s flight training program must meet the standards established in FAA‑S‑8081‑5. The recommending instructor must have personally flown with the applicant in the airplane type (for multi seat with functioning dual controls). This training must include the following requirements:

· Airplane preflight.

· Crew Resource Management (CRM), including single pilot, as appropriate.

· Powerplant start procedure, taxiing, and pre takeoff checks.

· Normal and crosswind takeoff.

· Powerplant failure during takeoff.

· Rejected takeoff.

· Flight at critically slow airspeeds in all appropriate configurations.

· Approaches to and recovery from stalls, as appropriate. Recovery from normal and abnormal flight profiles based on specific aircraft characteristics, including unusual attitudes.

· Normal, emergency, and abnormal procedures.

· Landing with simulated powerplant failure.

· Normal and crosswind landings.

· Landing from a no‑flap or a nonstandard flap approach.

· Rejected landing.

· Fuel‑low level/return to base procedures.

· Aerobatics, if appropriate to the airplane and requested by the applicant, if the applicant can provide operating limitations required by § 91.319 authorizing aerobatics and specific maneuvers.

Fouga Magister CM170

CM170 (Fouga)
weight 7100lbs
Pressurized, air conditioned and oxygen
Boosted ailerons Performance specifications:
+5.5/-3g
Power: 2/880lbs of thrust MarboreII /1056lbs for MarboreVI
Rate of climb: 3100ft/mn
Max level flight speed: 340kts
Cruise speed: 250 to 320kts
Loop entry: 280kts
Best climb: 180kts or M0.42
Final approch speed: 110kts
Stall speed: 85kts
The Fouga CM170 first appeared in 1959 with the French Air Force.
929 airplanes were manufactured in France.
Used by 20 countries, it served as a trainer for acrobatics, bombing, air to ground, air to air combat.
You will be able to be one of those 15000 pilots trained on the FougaCM170.
Authorized Experimental Aircraft Ratings Current Guidance contained in 8700.1, Chapter 32, paragraph 7, items 1 - 4 is still valid for eligibility requirements:
A. Surplus Military Turbine-Powered Airplanes. To be eligible to serve as PIC of a surplus military turbine-powered aircraft, an applicant must:
5-1580 ELIGIBILITY FOR AN AIRCRAFT AUTHORIZATION. Aircraft authorizations may be issued by either an EAE or an ASI (Operations) authorized by the NPO. Since “other aircraft authorizations” are similar to type ratings, the eligibility, application, issuance, and limitations will be similar to a type rating. By the same reasoning, once an “other aircraft authorization” is issued to an individual, then (like a type rating) it should be issued for an indefinite period of time or without an expiration date. Requirements for eligibility for an authorization include completion of training, testing, and evaluation in the same manner as would be required for a type rating.A. To be eligible for an authorization to act as PIC of a surplus military turbojet‑powered aircraft, an applicant must:· Possess at least a U.S. private pilot certificate with an appropriate category and class rating (e.g., airplane, single‑engine land or multi-engines);· Hold an instrument rating;· Possess at least a valid U.S. third‑class medical certificate;· Have logged a minimum of 500 hours of pilot flight time in the aircraft category and have completed the U.S. armed services qualification checkout described in subparagraph 5‑1582A1) of this section; or· Have logged a minimum of 1,000 hours pilot flight time, including 500 hours as PIC in the aircraft category, and have completed one of the training requirements of subparagraph 5‑1582B.
NOTE: Aliens seeking flight training must register with the Transportation Security Administration’s (TSA) Alien Flight Student Program (AFSP) at the following Web site: https://www.flightschoolcandidates.gov, or call 703‑542‑1222.
http://fsims.faa.gov/PICDetail.aspx?docId=8900.1,Vol.5,Ch9,Sec2

Fouga Magister CM170 type rating

Training Requirements.1) Training must meet the standards specified in the appropriate parts of the practical test standards (PTS) for type ratings FAA‑S‑8081‑5, Airline Transport Pilot and Aircraft Type Rating, Practical Test Standards for Airplane, current edition). At a minimum, an applicant’s ground training program must include the following requirements:· The airplane’s systems and components.· Ground emergency procedures, including abnormal procedures, if described in the airplane’s checklist.· Flight emergency procedures, including abnormal procedures, if described in the airplane’s checklist.· Use of performance charts, including (but not limited to) takeoff, climb, cruise, and landing.· Fuel requirements and fuel management.· Runway requirements and limitations (e.g., minimum runway lengths and crosswind limits of the airplane).· Contents of the Aircraft Flight Manual (AFM) or equivalent.· Operating limitations prescribed for the specific airplane, both the manufacturer’s and FAA‑issued.· Operation of the airplane in the high‑altitude realm, if applicable.· Recovery from abnormal flight profiles based on specific aircraft characteristics.2) The applicant’s flight training program must meet the standards established in FAA‑S‑8081‑5. The recommending instructor must have personally flown with the applicant in the airplane type (for multiseat with functioning dual controls) or a comparable type (for single‑seat). This training must include the following requirements:· Airplane preflight.· Crew Resource Management (CRM), including single pilot, as appropriate.· Powerplant start procedure, taxiing, and pretakeoff checks.· Normal and crosswind takeoff.· Powerplant failure during takeoff.· Rejected takeoff.· Flight at critically slow airspeeds in all appropriate configurations.· Approaches to and recovery from stalls, as appropriate.· Recovery from normal and abnormal flight profiles based on specific aircraft characteristics, including unusual attitudes.· Normal, emergency, and abnormal procedures.· Landing with simulated powerplant failure.· Normal and crosswind landings.· Landing from a no‑flap or a nonstandard flap approach.· Rejected landing.· Fuel‑low level/return to base procedures.· Aerobatics, if appropriate to the airplane and requested by the applicant, if the applicant can provide operating limitations required by § 91.319 authorizing aerobatics and specific maneuvers.

Voler sur fouga CM170 avec Marbore II ou VI en place avant si pilote prive ou avec des connaissances de pilotage.
Vous volerez dans le complex R2508 ( zone d'evolution ) de California City pres de la base de l' Air Force d'Edwards , China Lake , de la Vallee de la Mort , ce complex etant controle par les militaires qui ont l'habitude avec des avions de combats supersoniques , donc pas de problemes pour le Fouga CM170 et vous n'aurez pas la gendarmerie qui vous attendra a l'arrivee de votre vol apres une navigation basse.

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Morane Paris MS760 type rating

A. for an authorization to act as PIC of the Morane Saulnier Paris Jet MS760 turbojet‑powered aircraft, an applicant must:

Turbojet‑Powered or Rocket‑Powered Airplane. To be eligible
to serve as PIC of a turbojet‑powered or rocket‑powered airplane not considered
to be a former military airplane, an applicant must:

1) Possess at least a U.S. private pilot certificate with an appropriate category and class rating;

FAA BasicMed process (pilots using BasicMed may not exceed 250 KIAS));

B. Training Requirements.

Fouga Magister CM170

Fouga Magister CM170 type rating

Association Fouga Magister CM170 / Maintenance / Flight training / Unusual attitude recovery

Fouga Fan

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About Me

Friday, October 22, 2010

Weight and Balance

1 comment:

Morane Paris MS760 type rating

A. for an authorization to act as PIC of the Morane Saulnier Paris Jet MS760 turbojet‑powered aircraft, an applicant must:

Turbojet‑Powered or Rocket‑Powered Airplane. To be eligible to serve as PIC of a turbojet‑powered or rocket‑powered airplane not considered to be a former military airplane, an applicant must:

1) Possess at least a U.S. private pilot certificate with an appropriate category and class rating;

FAA BasicMed process (pilots using BasicMed may not exceed 250 KIAS));

B. Training Requirements.

Fouga Magister CM170

Fouga Magister CM170 type rating

Turbojet‑Powered or Rocket‑Powered Airplane. To be eligible
to serve as PIC of a turbojet‑powered or rocket‑powered airplane not considered
to be a former military airplane, an applicant must: