Association Fouga Magister CM170 / Maintenance / Flight training / Unusual attitude recovery : May 2009

Tuesday, May 26, 2009

Push button above gear handle

To remove any confusion about he red push button above the gear handle who have normaly a break away wire, when is pushed, let you pull the gear handle up, retract the gear, as soon as you have 150 Hpz of pressure in your hydraulic system by bypassing the ground safety switch. After take off if the gear does not want to go up because the ground safety switch does not function normaly, you can push the red button, pull up the gear handle, the gear will go up. That function was made too in case you do not have any braking capabilities normal or emergency and you need to stop the aircraft.
It will bypass the ground safety switch on the left main landing gear either on the ground or in the air with at leat 150 hpz of hydraulic pressure, the gear will retract.

Lost of main hydraulic pressure during flight

It can happen to loose rapidely the main hydraulic pressure system during flight. It can be a broken hydraulic line but usualy it is when you do negative G's and use the hydraulic system at the same time( ailerons boost or speed brakes). Most of the time the hydraulic pump cavitate.
If you follow the procedures .... it is good but it can take a long time and if you are short of fuel...
One procedure not descibed is to reduce the fouga at 140KTS and drop the gear down normaly.
The gear will come down slowly , will lock down and the main hydraulic pressure system will
go back up.
It will be faster than some procedures which tell you to wait 20 minutes.

Wednesday, May 20, 2009

Engine oil for Marbore VI

Oil for Marbore VI is O-150 or O-148 equivalent to MIL-L-7808 where is the BP 2389 available everywhere.

Jack pad for fouga

To be able to jack the Fouga you need 3 or 4 jack pads. Metric bolts M14 x 1.5 length 40mm will do the same job. You can find some at your hardware store for $12.00 the all set of 4.
You will have to rond the head with a grinder to fit the cup of the jack. If you do not find some , look at :
http://www.boltdepot.com/product.aspx?cc=20&cs=80&cm=111&cd=1384

Tuesday, May 19, 2009

What is the time on my Fouga engines ?

A lot of people does not know how to read and understand the French military logbooks.
Red warning : No original logbooks ....
If you have a Fouga with the original French log books I can help you to find out how many hours your engines have SMOH and time on the different components, if your engines are the ones when the Fouga left the French Air Force or changed since then.
Please no dealers, only private owners.

And if you need real maintenance on your engine done by the books you can contact Christian Berard who was on charge of the Marbore II and VI within the French Air Force and still working on thoses engines in Europe : christianberard2@wanadoo.fr

Sunday, May 17, 2009

Fouga braking

Do not forget to service the brake cylinders at the back of each brake pedal.
If they running out of fluid ... no more normal braking

Generator or hydraulic pump disconnect

It's a problem with the Fouga that the generator or hydraulic pump can disconnect from the accessory gear box by the mechanical disconnect inside the accessory gear box.
First if generator do not suck air by the inlet ... it is diconnected
If you do not have hydraulic pressure and your hydraulic reservoir is serviced , crack the outlet line of your pump and if no fluid or air is comming out... hydraulic pump is disconnected.
You can have some other problems but theses ones will occure some time or an other

Starting problems with engines

Lately a couple of Fouga CM170 had some starting problems .

You can have the micro pump who does not turn or you do not have ignition because you can have some carbon deposit on the contacts of the relay 29K or 30K. Does not matter if you have the voltage at the connector , if you do not have the amperage for the micro pump or for the ignitor boxes du

e to the carbon deposit on the contacs of thoses relays the engine will not start.

You can troubleshoot by disconnecting the cannon plug of the micro pump and press on the ignition button to hear the cracking sound of the ignitors.

If no sound swap igniton box of the other engine and try again.

To check the micro pump disconnect both cannon plugs of the ignitors boxes and if it turns remember to have fuel flow out of the micro pump you wil need to advance the cutoff lever. If no luck with that troubleshooting......
Solution: replace relay 29K and 30K in the rear distribution box 1X by a relay 40 or 50 AMPs SPST or DPST that you can find on E-bay for $40.00ea and no mor

e starting problems

Morane Paris MS760 type rating

A. for an authorization to act as PIC of the Morane Saulnier Paris Jet MS760 turbojet‑powered aircraft, an applicant must:

· Possess at least a U.S. private pilot certificate with an appropriate category and class rating (e.g., airplane, multi‑engine land);

· Hold an instrument rating;

· Possess at least a valid U To be eligible.S. third‑class medical certificate;

· 250 hours total time in a complex / high performance aircraft.

Turbojet‑Powered or Rocket‑Powered Airplane. To be eligible
to serve as PIC of a turbojet‑powered or rocket‑powered airplane not considered
to be a former military airplane, an applicant must:

1) Possess at least a U.S. private pilot certificate with an appropriate category and class rating;

2) Possess at least a valid U.S. third‑class medical certificate or equivalent

(U.S. Military Flight Medical or U.S. driver’s license in accordance with the

FAA BasicMed process (pilots using BasicMed may not exceed 250 KIAS));

3) Hold an instrument rating appropriate to the category;

4) Have completed the training requirements of this section;

and

5) If the aircraft has a V_NE of 250 KIAS or greater, have a minimum of 250 hours of pilot flight time as PIC in a complex, high performance airplane.

B. Training Requirements.

1) Training must meet the standards specified in the appropriate parts of the practical test standards (PTS) for type ratings (FAA‑S‑8081‑5, Airline Transport Pilot and Aircraft Type Rating, Practical Test Standards for Airplane, current edition). At a minimum, an applicant’s ground training program must include the following requirements:

· The airplane’s systems and components.

· Ground emergency procedures, including abnormal procedures, if described in the airplane’s checklist.

· Flight emergency procedures, including abnormal procedures, if described in the airplane’s checklist.

· Use of performance charts, including (but not limited to) takeoff, climb, cruise, and landing.

· Fuel requirements and fuel management.

· Runway requirements and limitations (e.g., minimum runway lengths and crosswind limits of the airplane).

· Contents of the Aircraft Flight Manual (AFM) or equivalent.

· Operating limitations prescribed for the specific airplane, both the manufacturer’s and FAA‑issued.

· Operation of the airplane in the high‑altitude realm, if applicable.

· Recovery from abnormal flight profiles based on specific aircraft characteristics.

2) The applicant’s flight training program must meet the standards established in FAA‑S‑8081‑5. The recommending instructor must have personally flown with the applicant in the airplane type (for multi seat with functioning dual controls). This training must include the following requirements:

· Airplane preflight.

· Crew Resource Management (CRM), including single pilot, as appropriate.

· Powerplant start procedure, taxiing, and pre takeoff checks.

· Normal and crosswind takeoff.

· Powerplant failure during takeoff.

· Rejected takeoff.

· Flight at critically slow airspeeds in all appropriate configurations.

· Approaches to and recovery from stalls, as appropriate. Recovery from normal and abnormal flight profiles based on specific aircraft characteristics, including unusual attitudes.

· Normal, emergency, and abnormal procedures.

· Landing with simulated powerplant failure.

· Normal and crosswind landings.

· Landing from a no‑flap or a nonstandard flap approach.

· Rejected landing.

· Fuel‑low level/return to base procedures.

· Aerobatics, if appropriate to the airplane and requested by the applicant, if the applicant can provide operating limitations required by § 91.319 authorizing aerobatics and specific maneuvers.

Fouga Magister CM170

CM170 (Fouga)
weight 7100lbs
Pressurized, air conditioned and oxygen
Boosted ailerons Performance specifications:
+5.5/-3g
Power: 2/880lbs of thrust MarboreII /1056lbs for MarboreVI
Rate of climb: 3100ft/mn
Max level flight speed: 340kts
Cruise speed: 250 to 320kts
Loop entry: 280kts
Best climb: 180kts or M0.42
Final approch speed: 110kts
Stall speed: 85kts
The Fouga CM170 first appeared in 1959 with the French Air Force.
929 airplanes were manufactured in France.
Used by 20 countries, it served as a trainer for acrobatics, bombing, air to ground, air to air combat.
You will be able to be one of those 15000 pilots trained on the FougaCM170.
Authorized Experimental Aircraft Ratings Current Guidance contained in 8700.1, Chapter 32, paragraph 7, items 1 - 4 is still valid for eligibility requirements:
A. Surplus Military Turbine-Powered Airplanes. To be eligible to serve as PIC of a surplus military turbine-powered aircraft, an applicant must:
5-1580 ELIGIBILITY FOR AN AIRCRAFT AUTHORIZATION. Aircraft authorizations may be issued by either an EAE or an ASI (Operations) authorized by the NPO. Since “other aircraft authorizations” are similar to type ratings, the eligibility, application, issuance, and limitations will be similar to a type rating. By the same reasoning, once an “other aircraft authorization” is issued to an individual, then (like a type rating) it should be issued for an indefinite period of time or without an expiration date. Requirements for eligibility for an authorization include completion of training, testing, and evaluation in the same manner as would be required for a type rating.A. To be eligible for an authorization to act as PIC of a surplus military turbojet‑powered aircraft, an applicant must:· Possess at least a U.S. private pilot certificate with an appropriate category and class rating (e.g., airplane, single‑engine land or multi-engines);· Hold an instrument rating;· Possess at least a valid U.S. third‑class medical certificate;· Have logged a minimum of 500 hours of pilot flight time in the aircraft category and have completed the U.S. armed services qualification checkout described in subparagraph 5‑1582A1) of this section; or· Have logged a minimum of 1,000 hours pilot flight time, including 500 hours as PIC in the aircraft category, and have completed one of the training requirements of subparagraph 5‑1582B.
NOTE: Aliens seeking flight training must register with the Transportation Security Administration’s (TSA) Alien Flight Student Program (AFSP) at the following Web site: https://www.flightschoolcandidates.gov, or call 703‑542‑1222.
http://fsims.faa.gov/PICDetail.aspx?docId=8900.1,Vol.5,Ch9,Sec2

Fouga Magister CM170 type rating

Training Requirements.1) Training must meet the standards specified in the appropriate parts of the practical test standards (PTS) for type ratings FAA‑S‑8081‑5, Airline Transport Pilot and Aircraft Type Rating, Practical Test Standards for Airplane, current edition). At a minimum, an applicant’s ground training program must include the following requirements:· The airplane’s systems and components.· Ground emergency procedures, including abnormal procedures, if described in the airplane’s checklist.· Flight emergency procedures, including abnormal procedures, if described in the airplane’s checklist.· Use of performance charts, including (but not limited to) takeoff, climb, cruise, and landing.· Fuel requirements and fuel management.· Runway requirements and limitations (e.g., minimum runway lengths and crosswind limits of the airplane).· Contents of the Aircraft Flight Manual (AFM) or equivalent.· Operating limitations prescribed for the specific airplane, both the manufacturer’s and FAA‑issued.· Operation of the airplane in the high‑altitude realm, if applicable.· Recovery from abnormal flight profiles based on specific aircraft characteristics.2) The applicant’s flight training program must meet the standards established in FAA‑S‑8081‑5. The recommending instructor must have personally flown with the applicant in the airplane type (for multiseat with functioning dual controls) or a comparable type (for single‑seat). This training must include the following requirements:· Airplane preflight.· Crew Resource Management (CRM), including single pilot, as appropriate.· Powerplant start procedure, taxiing, and pretakeoff checks.· Normal and crosswind takeoff.· Powerplant failure during takeoff.· Rejected takeoff.· Flight at critically slow airspeeds in all appropriate configurations.· Approaches to and recovery from stalls, as appropriate.· Recovery from normal and abnormal flight profiles based on specific aircraft characteristics, including unusual attitudes.· Normal, emergency, and abnormal procedures.· Landing with simulated powerplant failure.· Normal and crosswind landings.· Landing from a no‑flap or a nonstandard flap approach.· Rejected landing.· Fuel‑low level/return to base procedures.· Aerobatics, if appropriate to the airplane and requested by the applicant, if the applicant can provide operating limitations required by § 91.319 authorizing aerobatics and specific maneuvers.

Voler sur fouga CM170 avec Marbore II ou VI en place avant si pilote prive ou avec des connaissances de pilotage.
Vous volerez dans le complex R2508 ( zone d'evolution ) de California City pres de la base de l' Air Force d'Edwards , China Lake , de la Vallee de la Mort , ce complex etant controle par les militaires qui ont l'habitude avec des avions de combats supersoniques , donc pas de problemes pour le Fouga CM170 et vous n'aurez pas la gendarmerie qui vous attendra a l'arrivee de votre vol apres une navigation basse.

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Tuesday, May 26, 2009

Push button above gear handle

Lost of main hydraulic pressure during flight

Wednesday, May 20, 2009

Engine oil for Marbore VI

Jack pad for fouga

Tuesday, May 19, 2009

What is the time on my Fouga engines ?

Sunday, May 17, 2009

Fouga braking

Generator or hydraulic pump disconnect

Starting problems with engines

Morane Paris MS760 type rating

A. for an authorization to act as PIC of the Morane Saulnier Paris Jet MS760 turbojet‑powered aircraft, an applicant must:

Turbojet‑Powered or Rocket‑Powered Airplane. To be eligible
to serve as PIC of a turbojet‑powered or rocket‑powered airplane not considered
to be a former military airplane, an applicant must:

1) Possess at least a U.S. private pilot certificate with an appropriate category and class rating;

FAA BasicMed process (pilots using BasicMed may not exceed 250 KIAS));

B. Training Requirements.

Fouga Magister CM170

Fouga Magister CM170 type rating

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Sunday, May 17, 2009

Morane Paris MS760 type rating

A. for an authorization to act as PIC of the Morane Saulnier Paris Jet MS760 turbojet‑powered aircraft, an applicant must:

Turbojet‑Powered or Rocket‑Powered Airplane. To be eligible to serve as PIC of a turbojet‑powered or rocket‑powered airplane not considered to be a former military airplane, an applicant must:

1) Possess at least a U.S. private pilot certificate with an appropriate category and class rating;

FAA BasicMed process (pilots using BasicMed may not exceed 250 KIAS));

B. Training Requirements.

Fouga Magister CM170

Fouga Magister CM170 type rating

Turbojet‑Powered or Rocket‑Powered Airplane. To be eligible
to serve as PIC of a turbojet‑powered or rocket‑powered airplane not considered
to be a former military airplane, an applicant must: